“We’ve told you already, stop using XP”? – XP and IE9 + alternatives.

For those of you that are not experiencing the advantages reported by users around the net from choosing an alternative to IE, there’s further bad news for users who want to stick with XP.  We have seen many times that those people who want to stick with Windows are in many cases XP users who for whatever reason want to stick with XP.  And why shouldn’t they?  They paid for it, they like it, but yet after the Vista fiasco Microsoft needs your money so ….YOU HAVE TO BUY Vista 7.

If IE hadn’t hit the press so much with exploits et al, the news might have been devastating that IE9 has now been declared not XP compatible.  A reason to upgrade your Windows ver or merely finally get around to changing your browser?

For all you Windows users here’s a shocker…Linux users don’t use IE and never have (unless it’s through a Wine or Dual boot combo) Linux users have been experiencing the benefits of alternative browsers for a long time, believe it or not Web Browsing != IE only.  Take a look at the rendering benchmarks for IE8 compared to other browsers here is that not a shocking set of results and proof that you really need to think of dumping IE?

Strangely enough, Microsoft also shows this graph and shows in my opinion shockingly bad results for IE8 with IE9 on Windows 7 coming short of Chrome, Safari and Opera browsers.


Ballot produces Opera Increases?

Its been reported that Opera has experienced a doubling of downloads since the Windows Ballot was introduced.  I have argued that the ballot will make no difference to the average user who has never tried anything other than IE.  I challenged at the time that the EU anti-trust case would have been better served looking at OEM rather than the browser issue which people seem to be able to make their own decisions about once they have done their own research.

In respect of Opera and its results, I would suggest that its attracting people who have already tried an alternative to IE, say FF or Chrome, Safari.  I do not think the ballot is responsible for bringing a previously ignorant user base of people who know nothing but IE to it.  Thats my opinion, yours may differ.

Heres some comments from around the web:

the current microsoft mantra… create something new that is not better than any other products on the market (not even close to being as good as most independent browsers) and end up leaving anyone on past operating systems in the dust. REALLY, REALLY microsoft, you are going to drop you xp users that were forced to continue to use xp through more than a half decade of vista death…. disgusting. Yet again, not a surprise to me!


I’m a big fan of Chrome. I do not use IE unless I have to – which is never. Firefox Fire-FTP is the best FTP client I’ve found – since Chrome doesn’t play well with FTP.


As a Firefox user, I will try IE9 out, but it would take a heck of a lot of convincing for me to switch back to IE.


I don’t think IE is relevant any more. Other browsers have gone beyond the capabilities of what IE can do. I have been happy using Opera for a long time now.

You can see all these comments (and more besides) here: [1] [2]

I think Microsoft is find now that it’s burnt many bridges, which users finally seeing Microsoft and its associated wares in their true light.  With so many happy users enjoying alternate products on so many different platform, does Microsoft look cutting edge or does it look tired and old, struggling to keep up with better technologies and happy users of those products?

And before I go, is this a track from Spinal Tap or is it the Microsoft ethos?

Goblin – bytes4free@googlemail.com

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4 thoughts on ““We’ve told you already, stop using XP”? – XP and IE9 + alternatives.

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    1. Excellent points – and I have personally (albeit temporarily) experienced the hell that is IE performance, IE “compatibility”, and IE “developer tools”. Those “developer tools”, by the way, consist of a half-assed builtin set combined with the advice to use Fiddler. This is like riding a bicycle (or, maybe, walking with a crutch) after experiencing the Ferrari-like awesomeness that is Web Developer Toolbar, Firebug, and TamperData (all of which are extensions for Firefox).

      In fact, probably the only reason that IE survives in the enterprise is because of reason (9): Manageability. IE is the only browser (as far as I know) that can be managed with Group Policy. (As an aside to Mozilla: when will you get your head out of your bottom and please support GPOs? Because then web devs can switch without being overridden by the IT department.)

  1. Completely agree on this point: IE needs to die. They should have abandoned it when it reached version 6, and switched to WebKit. Every webdev that I know develops first for FF, and then groans and spends ~40% (yes: around forty percent) of total development time hacking around the worthlessness that is Internet Explorer, a browser that (in 2010!) still can’t support SVG or Canvas or MathML or any number of other technologies that the world has moved on to.

    IE7 was an improvement; IE8 was a godsend (finally! CSS2.1 support! And only years after everyone else got it right!). IE9 might be even better, who can say? But from a development point of view it simply makes no sense whatsoever for Microsoft to keep pumping money into this dead horse. There’s simply no way for IE to catch up to Chrome and FF now, and there’s certainly no way for it to do so while continuing to support the technologies of yesterdecade (ActiveX, anyone? “Accelerators”, are you serious? And “Web Slices” … oh, my aching sides).

    Please, IE, die. Die, die, die. I don’t do a lot of web development, but in solidarity with fellow developers who do, I would personally pay money to Microsoft if they agreed to NOT continue IE development or — at the very minimum — to switch to more standard rendering and JS engines.

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