Since Mr Hussain has taken to deleting posts he doesnt like (and notice how since he has prevented me from commenting his own comments have dried up) Manan gave a response to me that I think its only polite if I answer. Since Mr Hussain has a censoring system (and Im a little loathed to create interest in his posts again) I will print Manan’s post here and comment.
This is not the “ripping apart” that was promised, so please dont be disapointed:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Yes, I’ve worked my way to your blog (& read your post before I made my comments here) but you see, I can’t be adding RSS feeds for a post that I’m expecting some time in the future, since I’ve subscribed to this comment stream if you were to post a link here I would get the notification, a solution I find to be rather intelligent.
Let’s keep Linux out of this since you want to, and since you raised the question of my age, lets go a little more down memory lane & come to XP’s launch. Microsoft was written off by the tech community only 6 years later to have you defending your right to use XP.
I still haven’t read a comment where anyone has tried to make a case that 7 isn’t a worthy upgrade, all I’ve been reading is that XP is “good enough”. You haven’t tried 7 to know what you’re missing or what you’re not. Which makes the point Imran’s talked about, people are being lazy to even try out something new & would be happy with what they have, something that can be attributed to ignorance as well. So in all this banter you’ve actually been giving Imran concrete proof of what he’s trying to say.
Ok, firstly thanks for enlightening us about your RSS habits. I personally use Thunderbird for an all in one solution, I wonder what you use?
Quote “Let’s keep Linux out of this since you want to, and since you raised the question of my age, lets go a little more down memory lane & come to XP’s launch. Microsoft was written off by the tech community only 6 years later to have you defending your right to use XP.”
Thanks, since my original visit to Mr Hussains site was nothing to do with Linux, that is appreciated. Is this a remembering competition? If so I go back considerably further than XP. Infact if you had read my post you would see I champion WB1.3 (AmigaOS) which is considerably older than XP. I go back even further, but thats off topic and not what you are responding to. Lets make one thing clear. I do not use Microsoft products at home. At work I have no choice being caught in the .net. At work we use a combination of XP/Vista (although the later is a rarerity) I am not defending anyone’s “right to use XP” per say, I am defending peoples freedom of choice to use the package they feel comfortable with and not be called lazy or ignorant for doing so.
Thankfully Mr Hussain tried to be as insulting to me as well, so hopefully there will be no XP users who are offended by the rubbish he spouted.
Quote “I still haven’t read a comment where anyone has tried to make a case that 7 isn’t a worthy upgrade”
Except for a issues individuals report on forums (which are personal to them) neither have I. I think the wording should be “necessary upgrade” and goes back to the question that even Microsoft employees cant answer properly (even here) which is:
What advantages does Windows 7 offer that cannot be achieved either natively or via third party software on XP?
Thats an important question and one that needs answering, especially when Microsoft have a massive userbase (IMO) of people happy with XP.
Quote “all I’ve been reading is that XP is “good enough””
And thats bad because? Certainly from opinion I’ve read users dont want Vista, so if they are happy with XP, whats the problem?
If a user is going to have to pay money to upgrade to 7 and they either can’t afford (or dont want to) whats wrong with staying with something thats good enough?
Quote “You haven’t tried 7 to know what you’re missing or what you’re not.”
You don’t know that for sure, you are simply saying it for effect. For all you know I could be a “troll” like Mr Hussain says and I could be the biggest Windows fanboy on the net who just likes creating arguments. Fact is you dont know. Ask first.
For the record I have not used Windows 7, as since I did experience the pre-release Vista and its subsequent release on the shelves, I have no faith that the package which is knocking around the net now is what will be representative of the final version. Notice I havent sought to cheapen 7, Ive simply asked for the advantages for a happy XP user. I will be purchasing 7 when it hits the shelves and will give my opinion. You cannot champion something which has not had a shelf release (IMO) I would not chamption the faster boottimes of Ubuntu 9.04 until I had downloaded the final version. I did not comment on the beta, it would not be fair.
As it happens 9.04 was (IMO) not such a great upgrade since the increase in boottime was no quicker than #!CBL (and that was based on 8.10). (IMO)
Quote “people are being lazy to even try out something new & would be happy with what they have”
and this was my point about it being silly. If people are happy leave them alone. By your theory then, even though you are a happy Windows user, you should try AROS, FREEBSD, MAC and LINUX simply to make sure you are not missing out. The point of upgrade/change is when you hit upon a problem or issues that you believe an upgraded/new OS will provide. If you are getting what you want from whatever you use, why bother? Vista hardly got the mass migration MS wanted, did it? I’d suggest since nothing terrible happened to the XP users who either downgraded Vista or stuck with XP then the same is true now.
Here’s where you mention the new DX and Windows 7 (I presume) if you care to see what gamers are saying (and I’m not one so cant comment) I think you will find 7 is not really on their list of must haves. Add to that the piracy issue and the dominance of the console as a gaming platform, I’d suggest that the last bastion of salvation for Windows as an OS is being eroded away by the console market.
Quote “So in all this banter you’ve actually been giving Imran concrete proof of what he’s trying to say”
Sure I have. I sincerely hope what few readers he has agree (although looking at his comment section it appears already some dont) A Gentoo user supporting a baseless 7 claim? Thats a new one, maybe you could better explain?
I sincerely hope you avoid the vulgarity of Mr Hussain. You have raised points which should be answered and topics that should be debated. Rest assured, even if I dont like your posts, your comments will always be shown here.
While we are waiting for Manan to respond, I wonder if he could also clear up if this user: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=437544 (who appears to have difficulties with the simplest of distros) is the same person? He popped up on the Ubuntu forums for a short period, and just like the simplistic experiences where Manan disputes most mainstream press (in relation to him thinking IE 8 is the best browser) it appears that the user on Ubuntu forums, has difficulty getting to grips with anything that does not have the Microsoft logo on it. Why then does he use Utorrent (as per his twitter account)?
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