*BREAKING NEWS* 10 Versions of Windows 7?

Short piece of breaking news (if true)

Thanks to the Twitter user Microsoft_cares, heres a link to an article alleging there will be 10 versions of Windows 7.  Thats keeping it simple then.

At the present time, this hasnt been either confirmed or denied so keep an open mind:

http://i.gizmodo.com/5166997/several-netbook-editions-means-there-will-actually-be-10-versions-of-windows-7

11 Comments Add yours

  1. jd says:

    They should give up already, there’s no way they can complete with the 2000 different Linux distributions of effectively the same product.

    Shame Microsoft – will they ever learn the follies of their ways?

    – jd

  2. openbytes says:

    LOL.
    Sarcasm, but polite sarcasm all the same.

    I think the point everyone was led to believe was that Microsoft was going to make things simpler for its users. Hence my comment.

    2000 different Linux distributions, you certainly have a point, but then simplicity (or not) of 2000 distros means that you wont have to spend money finding out the best one for you.

    What I see (if the post is correct) is 10 versions with different features, the consumer wondering which/what they need, but worse than that once theyve decided, they are going to be spending money to find out.

    If you install the wrong Linux distro for you its no real harm done.

    You hit the nail on the head when you said “effectively the same product” and thats the great thing. You wont find a hobbled 3 apps at one time version (like its been reported for some Windows 7 Netbooks) Users can easily see which are the most popular Linux distros and why, and make up their own mind. I would hope you dont suggest that the average user is incapable of doing this.

    I hope you see, the simple comment was in response to what many sites have claimed MS was trying to do, keep things simple.

    2000 Linux distros cant really be a put off though can it? or else how do you explain the migration away from Windows to it? whatever the figures are, I dont believe you can argue that now, more than any time in the past, more users have moved away from Microsoft.

    “will they ever learn the follies of their ways?”

    Lets see:

    The repeated attempts to tackle the “google” problem.

    ZUNE?

    Silverlight?

    Backing the HDvd format?

    In my opinion, I would answer no.

  3. jd says:

    “2000 distros means that you wont have to spend money finding out the best one for you”

    True, but personally, I value my time more than money. The week I spent compiling gentoo on my old 1Ghz Athlon with a 28.8K modem downloading the sources was fun, but I don’t want to do that all the time just to find what is often minor pros/cons of different systems (I realise Gentoo is the extreme example, but my point still holds).

    7 versions is too many, I concur, but your argument (at least to me) doesn’t convince me that thousands of options is a better environment to be in just because they’re free.

    “In my opinion, I would answer no.”

    Sure, it’s easy to list the failed attempts – but people neglect to pay attention the fact that this is *why* Microsoft are successful.

    You could, for example, point out that Sharepoint has become the fastest product in Microsoft’s history to reach $1bn in revenue for the company. Lets include successes next to failures. There are many more successes too – particularly in the SQL, Dev Tools and Dynamics product ranges.

    It’s a numbers game – no entity, human or not, has a 100% success rate every time.

    More of my 0.02c. Soon I’m going to want a receipt for all these comments for tax purposes.

    – jd

  4. Chaks says:

    May be you should read this and get yourself more clear on what to publish as *breaking news* – http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/feb09/02-03Win7SKU-QA.mspx

    “What I see (if the post is correct) is 10 versions with different features, the consumer wondering which/what they need”

    May be that “consumer” is you, lol!

    As if now users who like to use Linux are clear enough which distro to download and use it!

  5. openbytes says:

    Interesting response.

    Ill tackle your points separately. I probably didnt make myself clear, but you know as well as I, that for a new Linux user a choice of distro will maybe be limited to about 5 of the more mainstream ones.

    and the risk of wasting time with 1 of 5 Linux distros is IMO significantly different to getting the wrong Windows 7 version for yourself and paying the mistake.

    Linux as a whole has never claimed to offer simplicity in its multitude of distros, however, as you say, they are pretty much the same, so I would expect a Puppy installation to function for the new user in pretty much the same way as a NimleX one. In respect of Windows 7, that wont really be the case will it? Different versions will be hobbled or lack features of other version (depending on which one you choose) and once after using you find you need an option which was not included in your Windows ver, its time to dig into your pockets for an upgrade.

    Unless Im mistaken, I dont think theres a Linux distro intentionally hobbled or limited.

    Quote “the week I spent compiling gentoo on my old 1Ghz Athlon with a 28.8K modem”

    I am a user and supporter of Gentoo. However as you well know Gentoo is a rather unique Linux distro, and certainly not a mainstream solution is it? The compiling issue is not relevant to any of the big players (or even the little ones) So I have to wonder, why did you make work for yourself by choosing Gentoo? If you’d chosen any other distro you would have saved your valuable time.

    Quote “You could, for example, point out that Sharepoint has become the fastest product in Microsoft’s history to reach $1bn in revenue for the company. Lets include successes next to failures. There are many more successes too – particularly in the SQL, Dev Tools and Dynamics product ranges.”

    I will take your sharepoint figure as fact since youve said it and I have no reason to doubt your integrity. But lets consider for a minute just how big Microsoft is, and how entrenched in enterprise and the home it is. The fact that we are even having this conversation in regards to an alternative to Microsoft (IMO) is a testament to something going wrong somewhere, and maybe an example of Microsoft dropping the ball?

    With the financial clout MS has, Im sure we can tout some sucesses, but then I ask what about last quarters figures? what about Apples?

    During my history of developing with many devtools and platforms, I saw first hand Delphi being trampled on by VB, when IMO Delphi was the far superior product. Ive seen Microsoft wield its muscle in relation to .net, the complete control over the dev environment of the 360. Does Microsoft really encourage innovation when I believe its expecting hobbyist developers to pay to release their own work on the 360 platform?

    The list of MS issues I made was very small. I mentioned nothing about Vista, nor the 360 issues or the fact that Nintendo was able to come in after 360 was already established and (IMO) blow it out of the water.

    Sharepoint, whilst it may be a success for MS, is hardly what the average home user is going to even know about, let alone require and Id suggest in the middle of a recession enterprise is more worried about paying salaries at the end of the month than investing in any technologies.

    The issues I listed were not a damnation of Microsoft strategy, but IMO highlighted the fact that MS is quite prepared to pour shareholders money into projects when, as we can see they just are not able to gain that market.

    You statement was “will they ever learn the follies of their ways?” and my opinion is no, since there are plenty of other projects where IMO MS is pouring money into, with very little return for the shareholders.

    Look at the 360, how profitable was that for MS? If some of the Vista cases get heard and seen through, what with the fines that the EU is imposing and the possible threat of further legal action, is Vista going to have been worthwhile?

    For me Microsofts insistance on HDDVD was an indication that MS really has not learned (IMO) it was blatantly obvious (to me anyway) that the BlueRay format backed by the name Sony with a greater capacity than HD was going to be the future proofed product.

    Great talking with you.

    Ill be happy to write you a receipt!😉

    and can I just add

    quote “*why* Microsoft are successful”

    To me the answer is simple, choice (or lack of) its easy to have a successful product when youre seen as the only solution. I would suggest now people are seeing it differently and I believe Vista was the turning point for this.

  6. openbytes says:

    Chaks,

    You must have been posting at the same time as me, so Ill respond to you now.

    Quote “may be you should read this and get yourself more clear on what to publish as *breaking news*”

    Er, thats why I put in the article:

    “At the present time, this hasnt been either confirmed or denied so keep an open mind:”

    When the post was made it was as a result of a twitter comment. I dont believe in going back and editing things just to make them look better. I always make edits very clear, thanks for the link and it will obviously serve to clear up the issue somewhat.

    Without mentioning the name of a distro Im accused of blatantly promoting, when you said

    “As if now users who like to use Linux are clear enough which distro to download and use it!”

    I would say they are. Check out the most popular Linux distro that everyones talking about, or better still which is the most popular on distrowatch. I think users are quite clear on which Linux distro they want.

  7. jd says:

    My point regarding Gentoo was to say that you can spend copious amounts of time with Linux – I simply used Gentoo as an extreme example. Also, in that case, I didn’t mind losing time to it because I wanted to explore and learn more about Gentoo.

    Regarding figures, lets keep in mind that Microsoft’s revenues are about 2x that of apple’s. Apple would need a 10% increase to equal a 5% increase in Microsoft’s.

    Other things to consider:

    * Apple is a retailer, it builds and sells, therefore it’s margins are slimmer
    * Microsoft has an EBITDA of 26,164m ion the last financial year. Apple has an EBITDA of 6,794m in the last financial year.
    * Apple would need to increase profitability by almost 500% to equal Microsoft.
    * Microsoft’s EBITDA as percentage of revenue is roughly 40% compared to 20% for Apple.

    These are very different beasts. One of the challenges Microsoft actually faces is market saturation – you simply cannot grow that fast once you dominate the entire market.

    A similar comment is made by Warren Buffett regarding investing in Berkshire Hathaway – it has had amazingly growth in the last 25 years however these days, to even get a 5% increase in group revenues would require billions and billions of dollars. Once companies get to this size it’s damn hard to do that no matter how well you play the game.

    Microsoft may have laid off people but it is worth noting that their revenues did in fact increase. A point many fail to notice.

    Despite the “Microsoft are dying” type comments I often read, people also fail to realise that their revenues for the last financial year were almost equal to the entire revenue of Apple, Google and Amazon COMBINED.

    Regarding continued losses in groups like XBOX, sure, it has lost a HEAP of money. It may be killed one day, it may not. If Microsoft ran away every time a product was failing we wouldn’t even have Windows now – interviews with Bill Gates are numerous where he comments that until Windows 3.0, Windows really wasn’t catching on or doing very well. Persistence pays off – not just for individuals but also large companies.

    Regarding controlling the consoles – sure, Microsoft controls it to a degree. You might want to see how much you have to spend to get on the PS3 or any PS for that matter. The XBOX, in terms of getting your own code running on it, has to be one of the easiest and inexpensive platforms around. To loosely quote John Carmack – Microsoft may not have the most API’s in the world but they have actually done a damn good job with the XBOX development environment.

    I always preferred the Sega Master System 2 myself.

    – jd

    P.S. I grabbed all the last financial year stats from http://www.valuecruncher.com

    P.P.S You can check the sharepoint figures. This was an announcement made at the Microsoft Partner conference last year.

  8. Chaks says:

    “Check out the most popular Linux distro that everyones talking about, or better still which is the most popular on distrowatch. I think users are quite clear on which Linux distro they want.”

    Is it? Tell me which distro I can install and try becoz I am really confused with over 2000 distros that are at distrowatch!

  9. openbytes says:

    Quote “My point regarding Gentoo was to say that you can spend copious amounts of time with Linux – I simply used Gentoo as an extreme example. Also, in that case, I didn’t mind losing time to it because I wanted to explore and learn more about Gentoo.”

    Agreed, you can spend copious amounts of time…if you go with a distro such as Gentoo as a new user.

    Are you suggesting Fedora,Mandriva,Mint,Ubuntu,Puppy,NimbleX would take up vast amounts of a new users time? I would put money on new users having to do very little in order to get the functionality they require from an OS from any of those (and plenty more)

    Youre right Gentoo is an extreme example (and a unique one) and IMO in no way representative of the Linux experience any user will get if they go with one of the more user friendly distros.

    In regards to revenues, of course Apple is not on the same scale as MS, that wasnt the point. it was the fact that Apple (IMO) have made reasonable returns during a recession in a market dominated by Microsoft. That comment stands no matter how much they make.

    Quote “Microsoft may have laid off people but it is worth noting that their revenues did in fact increase. A point many fail to notice.”

    I wont mention layoffs as they are natural for any firm during these times as a company tries to streamline its busines more, but I still ask the question why is it, now more than any time in the past are we seeing people move from Microsoft products to alternatives (IMO)?

    Quote “Despite the “Microsoft are dying””

    I read these, and probably disagree with them as strongly as you. Will Microsoft collapse? – No of course not!

    I have repeatedly said (and this is documented on Microsoft Watch amongst other places) I do not want mass migration from Windows to Linux. What I would like to see is a more balanced playing field. I think its in this type of environment that innovation in products is made, and that can only be good for the end user.

    We can play the numbers game like we are comparing Halo “frags” but at the end of the day, the important thing is what is best for the end user. I dont suppose the end user cares if their OS of choice is used by 1 person or 1 million, as long as its right for them.

    Quote “If Microsoft ran away every time a product was failing we wouldn’t even have Windows now”

    and Id agree to a point however during the times of 3.0 did Microsoft have competition with the muscle and popularity of Nintendo? or the Ipod brand (in respect of Zune) at the time of 3.0 the market was very much in its infancy, and I dont think many people at the time would have denied that it would only be years before massive returns would be made both in the world of home and business computing.

    “Persistence pays off” – Are you really saying that shareholders money would be wisely spend on the Zune product range? Are you really saying that this tactic should be adopted for Zune, because one day “it will finally get there”?

    Quote “You might want to see how much you have to spend to get on the PS3 or any PS for that matter.”

    Sort of true and sort of not.
    I have my opinions on the PS3. As Ive said before out of the three consoles I personally thought the 360 was the best (documented on MS watch numerous times) IMO the PS3 is a real beast to code for (and not in a good way) Having said that the scope for the PS3 is far better for the hobbyist coder. Linux on PS3 anyone? The emulation scene is taking off in a big way on the PS3 thanks to FOSS.

    Quote “The XBOX, in terms of getting your own code running on it, has to be one of the easiest and inexpensive platforms around.”

    Nope the PC would be, having said that, I can understand MS wanting to get a return from a commercial software studio, but a hobbyist coder who wants release their code just for fun?

    Before anyone questions what sort of coder releases code for free, I believe David Braben was one such coder in his youth, and he was responsible for the Elite series of games. How many wouldbe David Brabens are going to be unable to hone their craft and share it with the general public?

    Quote “Microsoft may not have the most API’s in the world but they have actually done a damn good job with the XBOX development environment.”

    Cant argue with that statement at all, IMO compared to the PS3 Microsoft is light years ahead, but its really accademic in regards to this debate since its not the environment itself I have any problem with.

    Quote “I always preferred the Sega Master System 2 myself”

    Not a bad system. For me, it was hte PC Engine, it had the best conversion of Rtype on any of the 8bits (IMO)

    Finally as I said before, I have no reason to doubt your word and/or integrity. I am quite happy to agree with your figures as fact.

    @Everyone:

    Since I dont believe in moderation of comments, they are open to all, however Akismet sometimes gets a little funny if you have a few links in the same comment. If anyone gets a “awaiting moderation” please can you let me know, sometimes I dont notice when comments are being held.

    Whoever you agree with, either JD, myself (or neither) I hope you will see that the libelous comments put about me elsewhere are untrue. I am certainly not a Microsoft hater (Im against the EU antitrust case, which Ive already documented on MSwatch) I actually agree with Chaks (as per his twitter suggested) that anti-trust issues should not just be placed on the doorstep of Microsoft, but all.

    I support freedom of choice, freedom of choice by exposure to diverse opinion.

  10. openbytes says:

    And again, chaks you seem to be posting at the same time as me!

    Quote “is it? Tell me which distro I can install and try becoz I am really confused with over 2000 distros that are at distrowatch!”

    Come on, I would credit you with being an intelligent person. Despite the clue being that Ubuntu is the named distro on Netbooks, I dont think you can fail to see the support on the numerous forums that mention Ubuntu (rightly or wrongly)

    If that wasnt clear enough for you, the column on the right hand side of the screen on the distro watch website which says:

    RANK DISTRIBUTION
    1 Ubuntu
    2 OpenSUSE
    3 Mint

    Should have given it away.

    Chaks, please, dont play ignorant – youre not.
    and dont try sarcasm I think you lower yourself when you do, and are far more intelligent than that.

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