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Microsoft – “Your culture will adapt to service us”? – Its all about probes! (patent 20090327171)

Just as there seems to be a link between computer geekery and Sci-Fi, there is also a link often made between Microsoft and the Borg.  Lets examine a favorite quote before continuing with the article.  A nice little topic IMO to kick off the new year in a light hearted (but serious) way.

I am Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile. Your life as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us…

Source: Star Trek/Wikipedia.

So lets see why some people think like this.  Its being reported that Microsoft is pushing a “new” innovation.  Now before you all groan or start checking to see if a MS third party has used some of your code, lets have a look at what I think is a truly frightening vision of the future involving Microsoft.

In a nutshell IMO Microsoft is now looking to dismiss the GUI in favor of its MUI (presumably Muscle User Interface?).  At present these ideas seem to be in the form of sensors attached to various body parts in order to control your PC/Console/Whatever.  Have a look at the Youtube video.  IMO the only thing more frightening than allowing Microsoft to monitor your muscle movement is the dull drone like voice of the commentator.

And here is the patent itself

A machine learning model is trained by instructing a user to perform proscribed gestures, sampling signals from EMG sensors arranged arbitrarily on the user’s forearm with respect to locations of muscles in the forearm, extracting feature samples from the sampled signals, labeling the feature samples according to the corresponding gestures instructed to be performed, and training the machine learning model with the labeled feature samples. Subsequently, gestures may be recognized using the trained machine learning model by sampling signals from the EMG sensors, extracting from the signals unlabeled feature samples of a same type as those extracted during the training, passing the unlabeled feature samples to the machine learning model, and outputting from the machine learning model indicia of a gesture classified by the machine learning model.

You can see this in its entirety here.

And lets look at what many compare a Microsoft future to:

I hope you notice the similarity between the commentary in both the videos and then consider that patent 20090327171 (pushed in on 31st December) has been registered to One Microsoft Way. You really couldnt make this stuff up, could you? – “Happy” new year from Microsoft?

But wait! Theres more!

Im sure everyone is as excited as me to plug yourself into a Microsoft operating system, but in the meantime Microsoft has another idea at hand.  Its being reported on the net that Microsoft is recruiting.  The job is advertised here, which I recommend you visit.  Here are some excerpts:

to implement programmatic marketing that will CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE think about Microsoft

Would that be prancing around the stage like Steve Ballmer?

Look at the competitive pipeline regularly to see where Linux Server and OpenOffice challenges arise.

Microsoft does see Open Office as competition then?

I could go on, I wont.  I am undecided as to if I should wait to be assimilated by MS Muscle probes or to apply for this job ;) .

Maybe the Wiki on the Borg should be changed to:

I am One Microsoft Way. Resistance is futile. Your life as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us…

I’ll let you decide on Microsoft’s latest schemes.

Goblin – Bytes4free@googlemail.com

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22 thoughts on “Microsoft – “Your culture will adapt to service us”? – Its all about probes! (patent 20090327171)

  1. Openbytes says: “Microsoft does see Open Office as competition then?”
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    If you remember the M$ Watch days, both Joe and Nick there, never, ever, use the “OpenOffice” word, or discussed it in any of their posts. There would talk about paid competition to M$ number one cash cow, like Google Docs, Corel Wordperfect, and Lotus Smartsuite, instead. It must have greatly discouraged some folks when some of us started linking to OpenOffice.org on their site. But then sites like M$ Watch live by way of paid advertising, and M$ is one of their largest advertiser.

    On other note, your borg analogy, is a good one, athough I prefer the quote: “resistance is futile, you will be asorbed.” Then again, the Star Wars analogy is my favorite, with the Monkey Boy as Darth, and Billy as the Slith Lord Emperor. Only because it shows more of a good vs evil IMO. Good vs evil, or light vs darkness, to me is part of M$ vs Opensource. But only because of the greed of those at the top of M$, and the corrupt means they use for their greed.

    One more comment about light vs darkness (good vs evil). You cannot have the light without the darkness. Life on earth only exists that way. On Roy’s BN site, he has lots of links, mostly positive on GNU/Linux. But I wonder if he realizes, that the power of the Dark Side is stronger, and that the negative stories about M$ are actually in some ways more important? They are, IMO, because really only Roy and PJ cover them reliably and in depth. Its important to know what M$ is up to, as it does effect us in Linux.

    Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 2, 2010, 8:06 pm
  2. wow putting a “$” in MS, how ever did you think of THAT !!!!.

    Sure NO ONE is ever going to buy MS products now that you have that dollar sign there. Im sure everyone knows exactly where you stand on everything in the world, the second they see that purile, childish response.

    BTW: most people just stop reading what you say as soon as they encounter “you’re funny joke”.

    And rightly so, they write you off as a crackpot.

    It’s a shame, as you might have something decent to say, but you’re so clouded in your HATE world that nothing else matters. Even you’re own reputation.

    So is it “openbytes” or is it, “openbytes as long as I agree with it, and as long as “RoyOfBN” sanctions it.

    As well as cross linking you’re “articles” with BN do you also cross dress with Roy ?

    Posted by darryl | January 3, 2010, 3:59 pm
    • I assume you are not talking to me (I don’t use $) and are talking to another commenter here, in which case could you please consider using the reply feature properly so there is no confusion.

      Then I read down as see you are infact talking to me and would ask, where do I use $? Putting aside your active (or deluded) imagination for a minute I will address the rest of your post.

      Quote “And rightly so, they write you off as a crackpot.”

      Really? Increased readership? Positive comments? I am not the one imagining reading things (as in the $) who is the crackpot again?

      Quote ” but you’re so clouded in your HATE world that nothing else matters.”

      Ah so its the “hate” again. Tell me if I report anything untrue. If its not untrue its hardly hate, its fact. For the record I don’t hate Microsoft (or any company) what I hate are the allegations of Microsoft behaviour.

      Quote “RoyOfBN”

      Ah and the second weapon in a Wintroll argument (please don’t pretend to be otherwise, its used on COLA far too much) So Roy agrees with me on my pro-proprietary views does he? I don’t think so. So Roy agrees with me on my pro-CCTV stance? I don’t think so.

      Please stop telling lies. You’re looking desperate, as one look at the BN IRC logs or COLA or BN itself will tell you that me and Roy have different opinions on many topics.

      Quote “As well as cross linking you’re “articles” with BN do you also cross dress with Roy ?”

      and I’m the crackpot? Please stop wasting my time with this childish Wintroll behaviour that is played out on COLA on a daily basis.

      Posted by openbytes | January 3, 2010, 4:34 pm
      • Its ok Openbytes, when the Wintrolls/shills get a little crazy, it only means that you are on the right path. Truth drives em crazy that way. They also “hate” when I use the $ symbol in my comments as well, which is why I do it sometimes.

        The Truth that I speak of, is the Dark Side, or rather the negative side. Vista was part of that negative side, or Dark Side. While we would all like to thing that people will switch over to GNU/Linux because it is a superior OS, free as in freemdom, virtually malware free compared to Windows, this may not be what is driving folks the most to switch to alternatives. The negative side of Windows, the many problems, the cost, the lockin, the bugs, and the moral ethics of those in charge of M$, may actually be more important to expose, as a driving force for change.

        Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 3, 2010, 9:13 pm
  3. Thanks Chips!

    What the Wintroll’s (and the COLA ones especially) don’t seem to realize is that difference of opinion is actually OK.

    There have been plenty of people who have come here with differing opinion and had a sensible/polite debate. The true Wintroll’s though can’t. There cannot be any room for disagreement in the “One Microsoft Way”. What the Wintroll’s don’t seem to know is that its their actions that lead to blogs like Openbytes. I celebrate the Wintroll’s since they strengthen my resolve and I refuse to believe I am the only blogger who has built a readerbase on the back of vulgar tactics by those who wish to promote a proprietary model at the expense of alternatives.

    Posted by openbytes | January 3, 2010, 9:43 pm
  4. So in your eyes, there can only be “wintrolls” or Linux Zealots, there can be nothing inbetween as far as you’re concerned ?

    You either with us or you are with the enemy, I wonder where Ive heard that before.

    What about the group of people who like technology for technologies sake who want to see the science of computer software development and features and functionality no matter what the source.

    what about the people who just want to use their computers, the vast amount of people who are very able to use MS windows daily for their work, and have no problems with it.

    If Linux met the quality and functionality that I requiered I would be more than happy to use it, ive used it in the past (extensively) and at that time it did what I needed it to do.

    Before that, the Amiga and AmigaOS were far better, so in 1988 I purchased my first Amiga500, and really wanted to see that platform and OS make it to the big time. As opposed to MS windows.

    Sure MS windows and MS applications are not perfect, far from it, and in certain applications (many of them) it’s not the best toolset for the job.

    But in alot of situation’s many many users find it perfectly acceptable for their productivity and it allows them to get the job done.

    What I would like to see, is the ceasation of this ineffective campain of hate and elitism towards everything you dont agree with.

    If someone does not agree with you’re idealogy you immediately group them into you’re narrow world view.

    You seem to expect that if someone does not agree with you, they must be MS lovers or shills or troll or whatever other term you pull out of your bag of tricks to classify people.

    You dont see there are alot of people who are technically skilled, who know the computer and software industries very well, who have made their life and living from the computer and technologies industries.

    We dont sit at home and try to come up with other arguments about why MS is so bad and OSS is so great.

    You are doing you’re movement a great dis-service, you fail to acknolege that there are issues that need critical attention in OSS and that not all FOSS/OSS products are commercail quality, and even if they are, they are often tied with so much idealogy and issues that the avarage user see’s it as just too much trouble and risk to move into a group with such extreme ideals.

    Apart from attacking MS and spending you’re days trying to come up with idea’s to further attack MS,

    I have to ask, what are you doing to promote FOSS/OSS and what practicle things do you do to make the world of oss that much better.

    Do you make an effort to embrace people who express interest in your movement, or do you just knee jerk reaction to them, because they use MS so they must be idiots and you must be far superior.

    Do you think this is an effective method of promoting you’re product, by abusing and concockting ‘stories’ and generating vast quantities of FUD, towards MS and at the same time accusing them of generating FUD.

    Ofcource there is Fear, Uncertainty and doubt in everything you do, not just with MS but also with FOSS.

    There are real fears and uncertaintaties in any move, if you move from MS to OSS are you certain that everything will work, do you have some fear or doubt that you’re new wordprocessor will not work like you’re old one, or that you may not have the same features?

    Ofcourse you do, so to say that MS has a FUD campain against FOSS is not really correct, well ive not seen many examples of it.

    But on the other hand if I were asked to find examples of FOSS generating FUD about MS I would be able to provide page after page after page after page of links to FUD sits that FOSS have created specifically to generate FUD about MS.

    This site included.

    Is this how you want to spend you’re life, being a “spin doctor” and master of the smear campain ?

    I find it a little sad that you could be spending you’re time and effort on making you’re favoured product “JUST BETTER”, so you would not have to generate fast quanties of FUD, you could just say the truth.

    Lastly, it’s odd to most reasonable people who regularly use MS Windows, find it totally stable, and usefull and trivial to secure.

    They ask themselves why you are having so much trouble with something they find so easy ??

    Posted by darryl | January 4, 2010, 1:01 pm
    • Quote “You either with us or you are with the enemy, I wonder where Ive heard that before.”

      Well it wasn’t from me and since I have contacts/friends with many people on IRC/Twitter/NG who advocates Windows and Microsoft technologies, it sounds like a rather silly statement if you don’t mind my saying. Ask Winobs on Twitter if I regard him as the “enemy” or what about TobyW (whose site I link to) both of those are involved with the Windows platform. Stop being silly.

      Quote “Before that, the Amiga and AmigaOS were far better, so in 1988 I purchased my first Amiga500, and really wanted to see that platform and OS make it to the big time. As opposed to MS windows.”

      What are you banging on about now? Amiga 500? Coincidently enough if you care to check out the IRC logs for BN I regularly discuss my “first love” the Amiga with a user called Cubezzz….infact I still love the A500 demo scene and UAE.

      Quote “You are doing you’re movement a great dis-service, you fail to acknolege that there are issues that need critical attention in OSS and that not all FOSS/OSS products are commercail quality, and even if they are, they are often tied with so much idealogy and issues that the avarage user see’s it as just too much trouble and risk to move into a group with such extreme ideals.”

      What movement? Im no part of any movement. I blog about the subjects I am interested and celebrate the products that I use.

      Quote “Apart from attacking MS and spending you’re days trying to come up with idea’s to further attack MS,”

      Really? Attacking Microsoft? For the 100th time of asking, where have I posted anything untrue about them? So posting about the Plurk incident, comes V Microsoft and GPL violations is an attack on Microsoft? Are you saying Microsoft had nothing to do with any of those subjects?

      Quote “Ofcource there is Fear, Uncertainty and doubt in everything you do, not just with MS but also with FOSS.”

      Never said there wasn’t, infact I challenged a Linux advocate over the same behaviour on this very blog.

      Quote “is this how you want to spend you’re life, being a “spin doctor” and master of the smear campain ?”

      Rubbish. Example this smear campaign. As I say above deny any of the allegations I have reported here in regards to MS. For the record (which I will repeat) my job is about as far removed from IT as you can get. I do not spend my life doing anything but posting about what I am passionate about, having a family life and working. Please don’t try that obvious cheapening tactic with me, it won’t wash and by the contacts of support I receive it doesn’t seem to wash with the readers here either.

      Quote “I find it a little sad that you could be spending you’re time and effort on making you’re favoured product “JUST BETTER”,”

      Thats funny, I find it a little sad that you would spend time and effort trying to cheapen my view.
      Why should I make anything better? This is a blog about my views and opinions, you either read it or you dont. Should every Windows advocate contribute to making Windows better? Of course not. Its silly, I use what I love and love what I use. If it needed to be “better” I wouldn’t use it. Settling for second best went when I left Microsoft products (IMO).

      Quote “They ask themselves why you are having so much trouble with something they find so easy ??”

      So you deny the issues of Vista? You deny that it was fundamentally flawed? You believe people love it and find it useful? – Don’t be so silly and even Ballmer all but admitted the problems with it. Windows 7? I haven’t posted my review yet so you don’t know what I think. Please don’t try to second guess my opinion on it.
      I could also ask your question of all those posters who claim they can’t use Linux….that too is easy.

      I thought I’d save the best comment of yours until last:

      Quote “Ofcourse you do, so to say that MS has a FUD campain against FOSS is not really correct, well ive not seen many examples of it.”

      Not really correct? What not correct like the training slides for retail? or not correct like the Comes exhibits? what about not correct like Ballmer likening Linux to cancer? Do you want me to go on?

      Very good try Daryl, you’ve put much work into that post. Unfortunately for you, I am not only careful what I type but also measure possible come backs from people like yourself.

      I notice how you now don’t mention the “$” issue. Are you going to appologize for claiming that I used that when infact its obvious I didn’t? (as per your previous post)

      Daryl, let me give you a hint, going down the “hate!” route in order to cheapen my view is not the way. Maybe you could actually example your views or maybe even justify them with quote instead of just firing supposition and assumption in my direction?

      I live in hope.
      Goblin.

      Posted by openbytes | January 4, 2010, 3:32 pm
  5. Darryl’s last comment, quote: “Lastly, it’s odd to most reasonable people who regularly use MS Windows, find it totally stable, and usefull and trivial to secure.
    They ask themselves why you are having so much trouble with something they find so easy ??”
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    If its so “trivial to secure,” then why does almost every Computer shop, advertise Malware removal for Windows computers? Went not too long ago, I fixed em, I can tell you about everyone who brought me a Windows computer to fix, had some sort of Malware on it. Vista UAC did not fix that problem either. So like other Softies are you going blame the users? If M$ (see the $ again?) made the security baked in by default, users would not have the widespread malware problems present in Windows today. And its not something that has just happened recently, M$ Windows has been an ongoing Malware target for the public for a very long time now, with no real relief in site, except to move to alternative Operating Systems.

    There are lots of surveys on the number of users online with infected Windows computers, so maybe its not so “trivial” for the average user to prevent malware on Windows as you claim. Since M$ sets up the default account as an administrator account, (unsecure by default) how do you expect the average user, who views the computer as an applicance to be secure?

    Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 4, 2010, 8:14 pm
  6. lol. Yeah I saw that.

    I had already typed so much in response to his silliness and I think its pretty obvious to any Windows user how stable/secure it is. As you know Chips a quick Google will reveal the latest exploits on Windows.

    What I dislike though is the implications in the words “movement” or “campaign” a very cheap tactic used by Daryl to somehow suggest that this is all part of an organized effort against Microsoft. Of course the truth is I post my own views and stand by my own opinions, no-one elses. Its very easy to cheapen views which Microsoft may not like by somehow trying to claim Microsoft is a victim.

    Posted by openbytes | January 4, 2010, 8:40 pm
  7. Yea, vista is said to of had some problems when it was first released.

    But I use Vista here, ive had it installed for well over a year now and it works perfectly. It’s on the Net 24/7 it’s never had any malware or viruses and it never gives me a problem. So yes I can say that Vista is working perfectly for me, and it was trivial to secure.

    and you post pictures of Gates as a borg and then claim that you are not atatcking MS or proprietary code.

    It’s clear you’ve been well groomed by Roy, and you’re a faithfull minion of his, that is fine if that is what you want to waste you’re life doing, thats you’re call.

    But you saying you work certainly not in the IT industry yet you claim to have huge amounts of industry knowledge.

    You create posts specifically attacking MS, to appease Roy I guess.

    And you claim that you are a FOSS leach, you use what you like but refuse to give back.

    you claim you are not in a “movement” but what would you call it ?? a sect ?

    You call yourself an “advocate” so what movement are you advocating for ? if it’s not for FOSS/OSS/BN/Roy?

    And again, if you cant get windows secure and stable in 10 minutes then again I assert that you dont have a clue about IT and basic computer management..

    Im not saying MS is a victim, nor am I making your claim that FOSS is a victum.

    Allthough you read from the various FOSS hate sites like this one and BN that constantly claim victimiation and constantly making weak claims that MS is spending all their time (as you are) figuring out ways that MS is some big conspiracy against FOSS.

    You constantly look at MS and seem to see it’s success as something bad.

    But you seem to consider that FOSS/Linux is a huge success and it’s only time that is required to “make it no.1″. How much time do you need.

    Why do you not attack Linus when he says the kernel is “bloated and scary” ?

    Oh thats right he’s a demi-god to you along with Roy and RMS.

    And GNU/Linux is perfect nothing can be done to make it better, and anyone who claims it could be made better must be a MS Troll.

    And then you wonder why FOSS is still bouncing along the bottom of the software Gene pool, face down.

    As for the Amiga, yes it was a good system, and did what people wanted it to do. It was far ahead of MS’s offerings.

    I just sometimes wonder what you have against real people doing hard work to make a living.
    Working to create a product (no matter what it is) that people are willing to pay cash for.

    You guys seem to think if you have to pay for it, it must be bad, and free is the only way to go. But the real world does not work that way.

    I wonder if you have ever run a business or been required to make money directly from your own efforts, i guess you’ve always worked for an employer and left the worries of making real money to him.

    But you get paid by the hour I guess, but you expect to be able to use software written by someone who may not receive any financial benifit from his efforts.

    All those programmers working hard to make the direactores of Google, RH and so on, very rich.

    And somehow you think this is OK and right.

    And show me how you are “NOT” engaging in a campain of FUD and smear agaist MS and anything else you dont believe in. I would be interested to hear what it is you are actually doing if not waging a campain or jihad agaist MS.

    Posted by darryl | January 5, 2010, 7:23 am
    • Quote “and you post pictures of Gates as a borg and then claim that you are not atatcking MS or proprietary code.”

      Daryl please, where have I posted Bill Gates as a borg. That footage is actually from STNG.

      Quote “t’s clear you’ve been well groomed by Roy,”

      Liar (again) check out the dates I started speaking with Roy and this sites creation. You didn’t answer my response when I said about disagreeing with him on many subjects. Of course you ignore that because you are trying to cheapen my view. Can you explain why I celebrate the prorprietary model?

      Can you explain why I say the 360 is the best console of the three?

      Can you explain why I am quoted as saying XP is a solid system?

      Can you explain why when the Winobs Twitter user was asking about netbooks I recommended he bought an XP one?

      Can you explain why I said that Bing offered what Google did and the only problem as I saw it was the brand name of Google? (Of course allegations of Bing behaviour after that changed my stance, but at the time I think I posted a favorable view on Bing)

      There are many more examples Daryl and the reason I list them above is because IMO you are trying to dishonestly represent me and “fudge” my views.

      Quote “a sect ?”

      I think you know exactly what you are doing here, of course a support of anything other than MS is called a sect, religion, campaign as its far easier to try to cheapen people with those broad terms.

      I speak for myself Daryl, I take responsibility for my own actions and am happy to be challenged. You are not though providing any evidence what so ever, you are merely throwing silly remarks and insinuations at me.

      Quote “I just sometimes wonder what you have against real people doing hard work to make a living.”

      Eh? Well there you go folks, don’t be critical or give your views on anything….theres folks that want your money.

      Daryl, do you REALLY think anyone believes Microsoft is the borg? Really?….Do you really think on the basis of the above comparison people would think MS was the borg. Grow up. What is true though is that MS (like any firm) would like total market dominance….

      Quote “You guys seem to think if you have to pay for it, it must be bad, and free is the only way to go. But the real world does not work that way.”

      If you continue to tell lies I will have to put a note at the beginning of your posts. I do not think that way at all and Ive had heated debated in COLA, IRC and other places where I defend the proprietary model.

      Quote “i guess you’ve always worked for an employer and left the worries of making real money to him.”

      Wrong. My “employer” does not sell anything. Its irrelevant anyway as its not connected with IT.

      Quote “But you get paid by the hour I guess, but you expect to be able to use software written by someone who may not receive any financial benifit from his efforts”

      Liar again, check out my stance on piracy. I am totally against it (and even suggested legislation in order to combat it) If am for covert and intrusive observation online and Im certainly for companies getting the revenue they deserve and not having their work deployed without their consent.

      Of course you know all this since your purpose here is to cheapen my view and not even listen to it.

      Quote “waging a campain or jihad agaist MS.”

      Where have I heard that before? Who likes to make reference to MS competition, its users an a “jihad”.

      As I say, please quote me please example me. I stand by everything I say.

      Posted by openbytes | January 5, 2010, 8:37 pm
  8. darryl says:

    “And again, if you cant get windows secure and stable in 10 minutes then again I assert that you dont (don’t, spelling corrected) have a clue about IT and basic computer management..”
    ——————————————————–
    Also, this is not about what Openbytes or I not securing windows, its about the average windows computer user. And by all the survey’s I have seen, including some by Microsoft themselves, the average windows user in infected with Malware. So I guess you can say that: “the average windows user don’t have a clue about IT and basic computer management..” Which would imply that M$ and you, think what of windows users exactly?
    ——————————————————
    Darryl further Trolls on with: “And show me how you are “NOT” engaging in a campain of FUD and smear agaist MS and anything else you dont believe in. I would be interested to hear what it is you are actually doing if not waging a campain or jihad agaist MS.”
    ——————————————————
    First maybe a spell checker might be a good suggestion for you Darryl. Second, there is not a jihad against M$ (with the $ symbol you and M$ love so much). The problem for Microsoft is, that some Windows users, have found a better way, and have moved on to alternative software. These users, who were once windows users, are now the ones, that spread the word about that better way. Word of mouth advertising is the way of GNU/Linux, OpenOffice, KOffice, Abiword. However, the problems of M$, Malware, Cost, bugs, Vi$ta, etc., those are the Dark Side, and that need to be discussed as well. Only by exposing the problems, will M$ ever feel the need to fix them, if ever. Its the Dark Side, the negatives of using Microsoft OS and software, that is probably (IMO) the larger reason for users to move to alternatives. Cost and freedom, probably are lesser reasons, but once users experience those, they are never coming back. This is a major problem for M$, it has to fight former and even current users of windows, and labels them haters and such, instead of just fixing Windows and its Malware problems.

    And Darryl, as we used to tell Andre, when he claimed Vista was the most secure OS on the planet, (and you Darryl claim to never have a virus) is that most Windows users reading your spin, know you are not telling the truth.
    ——————————————————
    More from the Darryl troll: “You call yourself an “advocate” so what movement are you advocating for ? if it’s not for FOSS/OSS/BN/Roy?”
    ——————————————————
    Darryl, its obvious you have been to Roy’s site, since you are fixated on him somehow. My guess is you are one of the linsux trolls/shills. While I know you wanted Goblin to respond to you, I just couldn’t resist

    Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 5, 2010, 8:37 am
  9. Im not fixated on Roy, I just think he’s a moron, but that just my personal opinion, and I dont spend all my time crawling to Roy or providing links or supporting his hate speech and FUD fest.

    If you do that’s fine, but according to you’re logic you can say whatever you like about MS, and make all the assumptions you like. (“people who go to linux are never coming back”).

    And I do know alot of people who use Vista, and they are just normal users and not techs and they have no problems with it either.

    But you can say Windows is bad and so on, as you always do as a knee jerk reaction, but if anyone should ever be critical of FOSS, or make the same comments to see improvements, (how are you going to know if something does not work as good as it could if you cant hear anything agaist you’re precious love child?)

    You’re comment “It’s the Dark Side” kinda says it all, got nothing to do with merit and everything to do with opinion.

    and if Linus torvalds happend to say the Linux kernel is “bloated and scary” would that be “trolling” in you’re narrow world view ?

    Oh wait, that does not fit you’re conspiracy theories right.

    I find these types of sites most amusing, it’s always amusing to see how the spin doctors will break or twist the truth to suit their cult leaders idealogy..

    Good luck with that, come and see me when (if ever) GNU/Linux ever breaks the magic 2% mark. LOL

    Posted by darryl | January 5, 2010, 5:15 pm
  10. Quote “im not fixated on Roy”

    So then why mention him? We have already established a difference in opinion between myself an him on fundamental topics. I suggest if you have issue with Roy speak to him. I stand by my own comments.

    Quote “If you do that’s fine, but according to you’re logic you can say whatever you like about MS, and make all the assumptions you like.”

    Bingo! youve got it! Its called debate and free speech. If you disagree, state why and give examples. Quite simple Daryl.

    Quote “It’s the Dark Side” kinda says it all, got nothing to do with merit and everything to do with opinion.”

    And you Daryl use the word “Jihad”.

    Quote “if Linus torvalds happend to say the Linux kernel is “bloated and scary” would that be “trolling” in you’re narrow world view ?”

    No it would be an opinion. Don’t be silly.

    Quote “conspiracy theories right.”

    No conspiracy this is business for Microsoft. Want to start talking about conspiracies? Shall we start quoting Comes V Microsoft exhibits? “Every line of code written to our standards is……”

    Quote “I find these types of sites most amusing, it’s always amusing to see how the spin doctors will break or twist the truth to suit their cult leaders idealogy..”

    Im pleased. You certainly spend alot of time posting. Tell me if you consider me a spin doctor and this a cult are you also busy commenting on the alien conspiracy websites too? Of course not, its obvious why you come here.

    You are though always welcome Daryl, maybe one day you will be able to debate properly.

    Posted by openbytes | January 5, 2010, 8:44 pm
  11. @Openbytes:

    The fact that your site is attracting trolls now, is the result of increasing readership here. But that is enough time for me to waste on them, time to move on. Let me also say, that I commented for at least a year or two before coming across Roy’s BN site. While the trolls would paint us as some kind of conspiracy, the truth is that many of them (like Andre) are paid to say those things. I know you and Roy, do not totally agree on everything (but respectful when you do disagree), where I mostly do almost totally do agree with what Roy has to say on Linux and MS. Still my comments are my own.

    Speaking of which, here is an excellent link found on Roy’s BN site:
    7 Things Microsoft Must Do In 2010
    http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/reviews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222002863

    A quote from the link: “Here’s what Microsoft must do over the next year to get back in the game.
    1. Cut Windows Prices”
    ——————————————————
    This was really an interesting article written by Paul McDougall. I would say he was basically right, but also in the comments, many people tried to correct them, saying Windows & Office is already cheaper. In some ways they too were correct.

    Roy has made this point, that as prices for the two cash cows come down, so won’t Microsoft. Again, I agree with this. So Paul McDougall while correct that M$ needs to cut prices to maintain monopoly, still it will eventually gut the company to do so. Its only a matter of time as to when M$ will be forced into cutting the price to the bone, so to speak. For that date, I have an answer, it will be when Google Chrome comes out for sale in the USA on a Google ARM Smartbook.

    When that happens, consumers will be able to buy one, without M$ strong arming the OEM’s and major chains in the USA into only stocking computers with Windose on them. Even if Google Chrome is not the greatest thing since sliced cheese, it will cut into M$ profit like an hot knife into butter.

    Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 5, 2010, 9:15 pm
  12. Thanks Chips!

    I think when we get allegations like this thrown, its a good opportunity to show what is really happening here.

    As you rightly say we don’t agree on everything and as adults we debate those points. All of the people I communicate with online, yourself, Roy, et al I consider “online-friends” and just like in “real life” we disagree.

    I think the uncomfortable thing for people like Daryl when trying to cheapen my view is that I don’t fall into the categories that others can be stereotyped with.

    I can’t be called a “freetard” since Ive often said I use the packages which are best for me and if/when they are proprietary I would champion them.
    I can’t be associated with wanting a totally FOSS model in IT since I don’t believe that it would be viable in many areas. Ive often stated that the gaming industry could never be a FOSS model purely due to the amount of revenue that its products require (amongst other things)

    People like Daryl say I do damage to FOSS, I would ask how? By highlighting allegations against Microsoft? I can’t see how they can justify that since if sites didn’t report and talk about for example the Plurk incident, who would? Microsoft? I wouldn’t think so.

    I am also a “difficult customer” for Daryl because of my strong anti-piracy stance. Its often a tactic where we see FOSS & Piracy in the same group as if to suggest that the two are in someway linked. Of course thats rubbish and Im not frightened to say that IP holders should be compensated for their work and not have it distrubuted without their consent.

    I know Chips and the regular readers will already know my stance on these topics, but when people like Daryl attempt to lie about my intentions or beliefs, it gives me an opportunity to state my views again.

    I love FOSS, I think that the benefits of its model are shown in the products that everyone enjoys using, but at the end of the day I use the products because in my opinion they are better. If my Linux distro of choice was proprietary (Wolvix) I would happily pay for it and consider myself getting very good value for money. This is not about “free software” its about “the best software”, which as it happens, in my opinion is FOSS.

    Posted by openbytes | January 5, 2010, 9:46 pm
  13. @Goblin,

    I really consider myself more as a consumer advocate than anything else. Its about using the best product, and informing others about the various products (operating systems and software). An operating system, or software, to me is just a product or a commodity, it has good points as well as bad. Both the good and bad sides of a product need to be discussed. Only in this way will the squeaky wheel get the oil. Sadly, with Ballmer at the helm, M$ is not listening to its windows users, and continues down a dead end road.

    GNU/Linux does have freedoms which M$ will never have, which if all things were equal, I would still use GNU/Linux. Its more than just free as in beer. Mac comes on computers already, and while I think Apple gouges consumers,(overcharges) still I would have to say at least it doesn’t have the terrible malware problems of the magnitude of M$ Windows. Both are relatively malware free, out of the box, when compared with the very best you can do with Windows.

    This is where Ballmer has dropped the ball bigtime, instead of fixing the problems of Windows, such as Malware, he gives focus to flip3d and other features nobody wants. Ballmer changes the wallpaper, adds a couple of worthless features, and then forces meaningless UI changes on users, things that Bill would have never done. In fact, when Billy G ran the company, the UI basically remained mostly the same from 95 to XP, with even an option to change to classic mode in XP. Ballmer is not even small enough to keep classic mode in Seven.

    Ballmer is a salesman, and cannot think any other way. He highly resembles a used car salesman of the worst sort. To make the sale of an old clunker, is foremost in his mind, a fresh coat of cheap paint (wallpaper), UAC modified so as not to get in the user’s face (sawdust in the transmission), tire dressing, clean wax interior, new seat covers (more lipstick for the pig). That is the Ballmer way, no wonder M$ has only gained the same exact amount as pc sales have increased, and no more. Ballmer has not listened to his customers, and needs to go for the good of his company, stockholders, and those who will always use Windows (yes, they are some of those). For Linux and Mac users, I think it would be a good thing if Ballmer stays running M$ into the ground.

    Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 5, 2010, 10:20 pm
  14. I would completely agree with your opinion on Ballmer. I think Microsoft image has been harmed by his antics and I think when Bill Gates was running the show he had an image of “Geek made good” which was far more wholesome than the one we see with Ballmer.

    You say Ballmer is a salesman, but I wonder what has he actually sold? He’s inherited the Windows brand which anyone would be hard pushed to loose overnight…and we see things like Zune, Winmob “not quite making it”.

    I wonder where the shareholders stand on the subject of Ballmer?

    Posted by openbytes | January 5, 2010, 11:03 pm
  15. “You say Ballmer is a salesman, but I wonder what has he actually sold?”

    He has sold spin, FUD, and increased DRM that nearly (or did) cripple Vi$ta.

    Posted by Chips B Malroy | January 5, 2010, 11:20 pm

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