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Ubuntu Karmic is the venue for Gnome V KDE!

Karmic Gnome V KDE. Who will win? One things for sure, theres a few things you need to know about the Koala, see the end of this article for more info!

Ladies and gentlemen! In the blue corner weighing in at 9.10 is KDE and in the red corner also weighing in at 9.10 is Gnome..”For the thousands in attendance and the millions watching around the world..lets get ready to rrrrrrrumble!”

I am going to keep this article short(ish) since there have already been many reviews of both DE’s and this is more for a side by side to either strengthen my case for moving to KDE or infact having me returning back to a DE that has always been there for me…Gnome!!!

I reviewed Kubuntu 9.10 a short while ago and it was due to me commenting on completing a migration away from Gnome that prompted another user to question my reasoning.  Of course I had my own good reasons, KDE felt smoother, looked more polished and the graphical glitches seemed to be ironed out in the version packaged with 9.10.

Having said that I started to question how realistic that impression was since I had never compared Gnome on a like for like basis.

Being a massive supporter of Xfce and a follower of Fluxbox et al, the only rig previously to have had Gnome (for any extended period of time) on it was a heavily mod’ed Ubuntu 8.04 which I had loving called DeepRed (which itself was derived from the somewhat controversial Ubuntu Satanic Edition.

So with Kubuntu 9.10 already having a permanent place on one of my rigs (and a very strong possibility of getting onto a few more), I thought I would give it the head to head treatment with the Gnome version of the same title.   Theres always been some snobbery around Linux distro’s and it seems that some people go out of their way to use a “l337″ distro.   Is that really necessary?  We all know how to install Nvidia drivers regardless of the distro and if you don’t its nothing more complicated than a quick Google and a few copy and paste commands.  I like to compile my software but then theres one hell of a time saving by using Software Center for example.  This is where Ubuntu has always really shone for me, it provides quick setup time and as with any distro, the scope for those who have used Linux for a while to “fiddle”.  Having said that my main rig is Wolvix!

INSTALLATION

Both Gnome and KDE offer a pretty simple installation process, which offered no issues on either rig I used.  Ive already been into the install process for KDE and you can see that review here.

Both installs took roughly the same time, that being about 25mins a piece (thats not scientific) Hardware was recognised by both without difficulty.  The proprietary drivers had to be installed separately (obviously) but there was no flaws and the problem I experienced with Mandriva 2010 (which I documented on Twitter recently) of 1280 x 800 not being allowed (despite it claiming otherwise) was not present with Gnome and Karmic.  Please don’t try to offer me advice on that issue, I did attempt in the end to try and sort it and couldn’t. I commented that Gnome and Mandriva offered me more work than a fresh Gentoo install!  Having said that, this is about Gnome V KDE with 9.10 so I will move on.

In the first round of install/hardware compat, it was a draw between the two.

SPEED/OPERATION

Despite not being up to the speed of my beloved Wolvix, both performed very well and considering at the present time I am also using Windows 7 for a later review, it makes you appreciate how great a Linux platform is when you can get the same performance and eye candy with a 4 year old machine running the latest distro as you can with Windows 7 on the latest top of the range specs.  I digress, the Windows 7 article is for another day.

In terms of FPS both are almost identical and without a scientific means of measuring, I am going to say that they both draw here too.

Watch out, the Koala can bite back. So which has more teeth? Gnome or KDE?

CONCLUSIONS

I’ll start with what I don’t like about KDE, I really don’t like the toolbar that pops out when an icon or widget has focus.  It looks a mess.  Having said that KDE is natively more pretty than Gnome and although KDE does put me in mind of a Vista past I’d rather forget, its smooth and you can’t fault it.  Looking at Gnome, Ive always loved the default panel at the top and bottom.  It makes sense for me and feels natural, bottom for the open programs/windows and top for my shortcuts.  KDE’s default panel does not feel as good so Id say Gnome has the upperhand here.

Comparing KPackageKit to Software Center is a no contest, I think Software Center is not only far more user friendly, but I love the layout and preview screens to get a good idea of what you are about to download.

Its not all good news for Gnome 2.28.1 though as Ubuntu did introduce something which Ive never experienced before (and something which was not an issue with the KDE version)  Sound gliches….there was a noticeable pop when sound was initialized in order to play and what a pop too!  Ive read many detractors write about Ubuntu sound issues and this was the first one Ive ever experienced.  The problem was simple to fix:

1. sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf

2. options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=N

Then simply reset your rig.  This solution worked for me and was very simple, however since Ubuntu is aimed towards the new user (and particularly the migrating Windows user) is this really what a Linux “newbie” is going to feel comfortable doing?  Of course this is not a global issue, so I assume its rig dependent.  The other issue I had with Ubuntu 9.10 is that changing the DNS server is not as straightforward as it was in 8.04.  In 8.04 it was literally a 2 second job, 9.10?  Nope!  Trying to change it through the DE was just not playing nicely and it required a quick modification to /etc/resolv.conf in order to get the little blighter using a DNS server other than the godawful (IMO) o2 one.

Ive made no secret Ive been following the Chromium project since the early builds and Im happy to say it plays nicely with both DE’s of Ubuntu 9.10.

After all said and done (and its taken me about 2 hours to get my 9.10 rig to roughly what I want) I am swayed more towards the Gnome version of Karmic. Looking at both screens side by side, I feel far more at home with a Gnome DE and that is reinforced when I remember “theres a K for everything” in KDE (I cite Kscreensaver NOT being installed as default as a good example) Providing I am not misguided into believing the popping issue is relatively on a small scale, I think Gnome DE is the better version.   I am a little disappointed that Karmic installed with a few issues with Gnome and I would hope these are ironed out shortly.

The preview on the taskbar of running programs is a feature heralded by Microsoft supporters as if its the greatest thing since the microchip.  This is available in Gnome and performs in the same way as a Windows counterpart, its not amazing, but it certainly doesn’t take anywhere near the specs that Windows 7 does (IMO) to get it running smoothly. – Just thought Id add that in if you are considering a Linux option rather than a Windows 7 purchase.

WARNING

Whilst they may look cute Koalas can be quite dangerous!

….will drop from the branches onto the shoulders of bushwalkers below, and proceed to claw and bite. There has been the occasional fatality caused by a jugular being punctured but usually the victim suffers nothing more than a nasty shock and a couple of scratches. Source: Convictcreations.com

Goblin – bytes4free@googlemail.com

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44 thoughts on “Ubuntu Karmic is the venue for Gnome V KDE!

  1. Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

    “The preview on the taskbar of running programs is a feature heralded by Microsoft supporters as if its the greatest thing since the microchip. This is available in Gnome and performs in the same way as a Windows counterpart, its not amazing, but it certainly doesn’t take anywhere near the specs that Windows 7 does (IMO) to get it running smoothly.”

    It doesn’t, actually. Windows 7 provides a set of contextual actions that are associated with each preview, and provides visual feedback that singles out the window on the desktop when you hover your mouse over one of multiple previews. And the Windows 7 preview functionality runs better on lower-spec’d hardware than Compiz, which is what provides the previews under Linux. I know this from personal experience, since I have a Radeon 2100 integrated GPU which displays 1.5 screens across a 2-monitor display when running Compiz, and displays 2 screens across a 2-monitor display when running Windows 7.

    Not that I’m expecting a correction to your post, of course. You’ve never let the facts interrupt you in the past; why start now?

    Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 8:32 am
  2. Lol..Facts? You talk about facts?

    Good sales pitch there for Windows 7..unfortunately for you this is actually being typed on Win 7 as I give it the treatment for a future comparison…(nice to see you are still following the blog)

    Since you’ve remained clean this time I will indulge in engaging with MY experiences….without spoiling what will be a quite comprehensive comparison (complete with youtube vid) of both Linux V Windows 7, I will say this…Compiz on a 1.2ghz sysem with 2gig ram, provided the same eye candy at a better framerate than its Windows 7 counterpart on my rigs….(without spoiling much of the article, thats comparing it to a Acer Aspire X3812 PC with 3 gig of ram)

    Of course you try every means to cheapen this blog by claiming your facts are the correct ones….lets just hope you don’t resort to your usual potty mouth behaviour when nobody believes you.

    In my opinion you are a frightfully awful individual…you nymshifting friend who couldn’t even hide his IP has been exposed yet you remain, despite having ruined all credibility with your vulgar and insulting tirades…

    The suspicious minded might think you are a Wintrol from COLA, although apparently they are all on a 30 day holiday….hang on a minute…thats a point…

    Oh and “Mr Linux running Richard” since you love to pop up to defend Mother Microsoft (with vulgar remarks) and since you follow this blog…you are going to love the upcomming article on the Zune due to flop on the market in the UK soon!

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 8:59 am
    • Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

      Sorry, what does any of your little rant have to do with what I said? Are you going to correct the statement “This is available in Gnome and performs in the same way as a Windows counterpart“, or aren’t you?

      By the sound of it, you’re still unhappy about your inadequate responses to my last set of posts. Don’t worry, you’ll get over it in time. I’m sure that all of your virtual friends will cheer you on in the face of the Dreaded Richard Potty-Mouth – fight the good fight, Goblin me lad!

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 9:31 am
      • Oh I can comment Richard, although for the rest of the readers who can read I didn’t see a point.

        Read my comment again. Notice “performs in the same way”

        I would hope even you would realize that its a whole different world from saying its exactly the same (which is what you try and claim)

        Maybe then, you would like to give EXACT examples of what can be achieved with the Windows 7 preview action that cannot with Compiz…let see if you have used Windows 7.

        I don’t need to fight the good fight richard, last time we had thousands of readers to an article only you claimed was wrong, last time you made a spectacle of yourself with vulgarity. I won’t judge you Richard, but due to lack of support I’d say:

        “You are guilty only of being Richard. That is your crime, it is also your punishment.”

        Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 9:47 am
      • Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

        Sure. “Windows 7 provides a set of contextual actions that are associated with each preview, and provides visual feedback that singles out the window on the desktop when you hover your mouse over one of multiple previews.”

        http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/windows7/products/features/jump-lists

        Good luck getting that going. Is a retraction, or at least a clarification, too much to hope for after you’ve failed?

        Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:00 am
  3. Whilst we wait for Richards return…

    He likes to claim “You’ve never let the facts interrupt you in the past; why start now?”

    So if we can assume that Richard and his potty mouth is here to “correct” me when Im wrong (by stating people were excitedly heralding taskbar previews? ok)

    can we also assume that when Richard doesn’t, he agrees with the article? Thanks Richards…

    Come on Richard…try to keep up.

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 9:29 am
    • Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

      Sure, you can assume that, as long as we agree that when you don’t explicitly disclaim committing a particular rape, I can assume that you committed it. Let’s see, how many rapes have occurred in the past hour? That many? Goblin, you’ve been a busy boy.

      Logic isn’t your strong point, is it? And since we’ve already seen that analogy isn’t your strong point either, the point of the previous paragraph will probably fly right over your head with an amusing WHOOoooooooooOOOSH sound. WHOOooooooooOOOSH!

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 9:40 am
  4. Quote “Sure. “Windows 7 provides a set of contextual actions that are associated with each preview, and provides visual feedback that singles out the window on the desktop when you hover your mouse over one of multiple previews.”

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/windows7/products/features/jump-lists

    Good luck getting that going. Is a retraction, or at least a clarification, too much to hope for after you’ve failed?”

    Like I say, read what I put. Where did I claim it was EXACTLY the same. We can find differences all day in many features…its another example of you trying to twist (which doesn’t work) since people can read what I put.

    Good try Richard. A link BTW does not prove you run 7, although by the way you protect Mother Microsoft, I’d say you are trying your best to sell it.

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 10:08 am
    • Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

      So, it’s inferior? Doesn’t have all the features that Jump Lists have? Can’t be used to perform the same tasks? OK. Glad we can agree on that, then.

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:17 am
      • Not inferior and you really don’t want to play that game….or we could start looking at the XPM v Wine comparison now…

        I’ll hold back…you had better read up on your vulgarities for that article…I have a feeling you will be using them.

        You’re still visitng the blog Richard….thanks very much! Keep reading!

        Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 10:20 am
      • Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

        “Not inferior and you really don’t want to play that game….or we could start looking at the XPM v Wine comparison now…”

        Yes, let’s play that game! Let’s show how Feature X in Product A is completely non-present, but hey, Feature Y in a Product B (which addresses a totally different problem domain) exists, so … ummm … so … sorry, Goblin, how does it make any difference whatsoever? Oh, right, it doesn’t.

        In other news, Internet Explorer 6 doesn’t respect PNG transparency. But I Unreal Tournament is better than Quake 2, so that makes it OK!

        Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:28 am
  5. Maybe Richard will have more luck in the Zune article…He’s certainly going to get more time to do it since I will be leaving for work shortly and cannot respond….

    Poor Richard, he keeps coming back and trying doesnt he….?

    Beginning to regret your 4 letter vulgarity tirade Richard? You’ve destroyed any credibility here with that alone…

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 10:11 am
    • Note from Openbytes: Whilst Richard comes here to disrupt, readers should note that when no-one gives him attention or he can’t get his own way he resorts to vulgarity (as in previous article). Other detractors to this site have been exposed as being the same person since they share the same IP. Why does Richard remain here? God only knows…I appologize for any bad behaviour Richard may exhibit.

      “Beginning to regret your 4 letter vulgarity tirade Richard? You’ve destroyed any credibility here with that alone…”

      Fuck no ;).

      I’m finding your continual disclaimers to be quite amusing, especially since you’ve managed to put up 5 or 6 and still not discovered that “apologize” has one “p” :D.

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:19 am
      • Grow up Richard. Your’e now just getting desperate.

        You’ve now got the opportunity to get your cheeky little comments in without supervision (Im off to work)

        Honestly, its like dealing with a child in the way I have to supervise your actions….

        Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 10:23 am
      • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

        Am I taking too much time away from your Twitter-flirtation with sazzlerock? (Thanks for pointing me to your Twitter feed, it’s most entertaining). Perhaps if you actually corrected factual errors, you’d be able to spend less time defending yourself and more time sending her smilies and offering to set up her OS.

        Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:40 am
  6. <>

    Rightclick the desktop > Lock widgets.

    Posted by celettu | November 17, 2009, 12:17 pm
    • Eeh oops. Let’s try that again.

      You said: I’ll start with what I don’t like about KDE, I really don’t like the toolbar that pops out when an icon or widget has focus. It looks a mess.

      And I said: Rightclick the desktop > Lock widgets.

      Posted by celettu | November 17, 2009, 12:18 pm
  7. Kind of off-topic but in regard of the DNS server configuration: Have you considered changing the DNS servers advertised to the LAN in the router itself instead of changing it for every attached rig? I’m an o2 customer as well and I know what you mean with “godawful” o2 DNS servers.

    Posted by rhorstkoetter | November 17, 2009, 1:19 pm
    • I hadn’t (since I only recently identified it as a DNS issue) but Im pleased Im not the only one with the problem….

      I was actually hoping that O2 may solve the issue themselves……..

      When I rang tech support, they swore blind my problem was interference on the line. They even sent me a new router….

      Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 8:26 pm
  8. Quote “Am I taking too much time away from your Twitter-flirtation with sazzlerock? (Thanks for pointing me to your Twitter feed, it’s most entertaining). Perhaps if you actually corrected factual errors, you’d be able to spend less time defending yourself and more time sending her smilies and offering to set up her OS.”

    For starters, I’ll let her know this is exactly what I was talking to her about…MS faithful getting desperate. Secondly since Ive made it very clear Im married with kids I find your direction very distasteful…I’ll let her know though. You obviously have alot of interest in me.

    Let me spell it out for you Richard I mentioned the program preview feature of Windows, not jumplists, not the face on mars nor where the ark is buried..I then mentioned its similar feature in Linux, nothing more…You mentioned jumplists which is not what was being touted, it was the preview option…You’ll be pleased to know though that I cover jumplists in the Windows 7 article…

    Oh Liar Richard…where did I offer to set up her OS? She has a friend who was involved in Linux so I wouldn’t need to even if she wanted it installed.

    Maybe in the childish world Richard exists in, a man and a woman cannot simply be friends?

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 8:19 pm
    • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

      Touchy, touchy, aren’t we? For a man who frequently employs innuendo and insults, you don’t seem to enjoy the taste of your own medicine. I wonder why?

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 9:08 pm
      • LOL..

        Not touchy…Funny enough myself and sazzlerock were just talking about you…

        Do you think talking Linux/Windows is flirtation? Is that the way you try to find a partner? Maybe thats why you are so angry…I can’t see it working and neither can Sarah…

        You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now Richard…

        Sarah had this to say:

        “Oh dear, ‘Richie’ must be a very lonely man! Hmm, flirtation? U talk computers, I’m a girl – I guess this is like porn for him…”

        Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 9:22 pm
  9. Oh and Richard…lets see evidence of your:

    “For a man who frequently employs innuendo and insults”

    Please quote it.

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 9:23 pm
    • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

      “it”.

      Honestly, though, are you really dense enough to confuse what you do with good-faith debate? I hardly believe that’s possible. Has nobody told you that you’re a rather low-class troll? I’m sure that, at some point, someone must have mentioned it to you. I can’t be the first one. I realize that you have a strange inability to recognize any form of humour that rises above the level of a knock-knock joke, but surely you’re not socially-retarded enough to misunderstand that calling people “Microsoft faithful”, questioning their motivations, and prefixing their every post with barely-literate boldface is a bad thing?

      No?

      Well, if not, then let’s all pray that your kids fall really, really far from the tree, then.

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 9:44 pm
      • “It” yes Richard, “It.” you know, that which you accused me of in relation to innuendo and insults? please quote “it” meaning for you to quote that which you claimed…understand now?

        “Microsoft faithful” – Refers to those who (like you) have no boundaries when it comes to trying to defend the products. You have shown that you are happy to bring in innocent people, you are happy to tell lies and you are happy to use vulgar words, which brings me on nicely to:

        You need a bold message at the beginning of your posts, because like a child you need supervision. I told you I didn’t want vulgarity on my blog (and most people can debate without it Richard) yet my warning was proved right since you continued…You will continue to get the same treatment…

        Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 9:57 pm
      • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

        See, that’s what confuses me. You feel happy calling people who disagree with you “children”, and you say snide and unpleasant things like “keep up”, and you seem to be utterly unable to admit that you are ever incorrect. Now, maybe it’s an ego problem, and you don’t get enough attention at work or home so you come here to feel like a big man. Or maybe it’s a problem with how you were brought up: perhaps your father or mother used to insult people regularly, and you began to think it was normal. Or maybe there’s a loose connection in your head that makes you think that your behaviour is socially acceptable, but a few swearwords aren’t. Or perhaps you’re trying to emulate some English literary hero, like Oscar Wilde, and you genuinely (but erroneously) think that you’re succeeding at it. Or it might be that you’ve never grown out of the adolescent stage, and are crying out for attention to a world that won’t give you as much as you believe you deserve.

        Whatever the reason, you seem to be completely unable to see that you have a problem, and that it is not socially acceptable to act in the manner in which you do. Your blindness to your own defects, frankly, fascinates me. It’s obvious that you’ve never led a team, and you have no idea how to act professionally (let alone courteously!) towards others. You’ll never rise to the top of your profession, and (here’s the kicker) you’ll never realize that the reason you’re not making it because you’re socially defective.

        The funny thing is that, after being informed that the term “Microsoft faithful” affects the conversation negatively, you have nevertheless striven to find some sort of justification that permits you to continue using it, simply because you find yourself incapable of admitting that you’ve done anything vaguely wrong. How odd! And it would be pitiable, if you could see your own inadequacies. But you can’t, and that makes you not pitiable, but amusing.

        Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:20 pm
  10. If all things are similar between GNOME v KDE here and you sway to GNOME because of your personal prefs then KDE Karmic is better suited as a showcase on pre-installed Dell Ubuntu machines … it can match Windows 7 for bling as well. In fact, I noticed that netbooks running Win 7 don’t have the bling (starter edition etc) and so Kubuntu has better chance of winning new customers to Linux than the default Ubuntu!

    Posted by KenP | November 17, 2009, 9:42 pm
    • Hi!

      I do agree and whilst KDE is an excellent showcase (although don’t let Richard hear you say that, his latest thread of pointless rants hinged on his disapproval that Compiz could make software previews from the taskbar as well as Windows 7 without needing the higher specs…

      I think Gnome is simply what Im used to and I think until I no longer regard Xfce as my DE of choice, thats unlikely to change…

      Having said that Kubuntu gave me non of the issues Ubuntu did and install/setup was flawless.

      Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 10:01 pm
      • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

        Yes, Goblin, *I’m* the one twisting words. {Sigh}. In some demented part of your brain, you really do believe that I said that, don’t you?

        I’m feeling sorrier for you as the day goes on!

        Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 11:16 pm
  11. REPLY TO RICHARD
    —————

    Long post, much effort there.

    Quote “You feel happy calling people who disagree with you “children”, and you say snide and unpleasant things like “keep up””

    Liar. Ive had an MS employee here and many people with a different point of view. None of them were childish. Youre actions show you are.

    Quote “Or maybe it’s a problem with how you were brought up: perhaps your father or mother used to insult people regularly, and you began to think it was normal….” (the rant continues)

    Cheap insult, try harder. I want you to quote examples of me acting in the way you allege.

    Quote “Whatever the reason, you seem to be completely unable to see that you have a problem, and that it is not socially acceptable to act in the manner in which you do. ”

    Thats rich coming from the person who wrote a post full of 4 letter vulgarities..Funny you are the only one making that observation….

    Quote “The funny thing is that, after being informed that the term “Microsoft faithful” affects the conversation negatively”

    Yep, it does and I only started employing it towards you when you started misbehaving….I treat others how they treat me (hence why the MS employee’s that have visited are met with courtesy) you on the other hand have nothing but contempt from me. I don’t mind different opinions, but rudeness such as you have displayed is where I draw the line.

    I ask readers to look back at the entire conversation…they can judge for themselves. Thats always been the ethos of this site.

    Oh and you say:

    quote ” and that makes you not pitiable, but amusing.”

    and as I say before, Im pleased you are deriving entertainment from this blog. Whatever peoples views thats great. I spend many hours of my time working on this blog for free. If I entertain you then thats great…I hope you continue to enjoy my work.

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 10:41 pm
    • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

      Where, exactly, are these MS employees? Have you ever considered why they don’t appear to comment here any more? (hint: it’s because of you.)

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 10:48 pm
  12. Changing the goalposts again Richard?

    “Have you ever considered why they don’t appear to comment here any more? (hint: it’s because of you.)”

    Er wrong. Its because I haven’t invited them.

    I find myself repeating when I say. Grow up Richard.

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 11:04 pm
    • Note from Openbytes: Richards posts are often vulgar. When he is not trying to twist words in a feeble attempt to cheapen, he uses vulgar language. Richard has now progressed though and seems to think it funny to tell lies on the basis of an innocent conversation. Why Richard returns is anyone’s guess, but he will try anything in order to protect mother Microsoft.

      Is that like where you continually “invite” Andre de Costa, and he completely fails to comment here, because he realises that you’re a troll? Curious minds want to know.

      Posted by Richard | November 17, 2009, 11:11 pm
      • Liar. (Again)

        Andre has commented here…infact he links this site on his blog.

        Since when did Andre work for Microsoft?

        EDIT:

        And just for you Richard, I have dug out Andre’s comment here:

        “Congratulations on your one year anniversary. Its not easy starting a blog while having to find something interesting to talk about, in addition to building a online brand and community. I wish you all the best and hope to read more of your views, although we seem to disagree on a lot of things, but I do like your writing style and thoroughness.”

        Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 11:42 pm
  13. Having said all that, if an MS employee feels they have something to add to a KDE v Gnome topic..they are more than welcome.

    Posted by openbytes | November 17, 2009, 11:05 pm
  14. Hey, Goblin, Thanks for the great comparison review.

    Of course, I noticed that the title was “Ubuntu Karmic is the venue for Gnome V KDE!” and that you said that “the Windows 7 article is for another day”. But trolls cannot read for comprehension and they tend to wildly stray off topic. Don’t feed them! Your blog entries stand tall on their own!

    Posted by Philosopher | November 19, 2009, 10:11 pm
  15. Thanks.

    I do enjoy engaging people like Richard, not because I approve of the behaviour or tactics they use, but it serves to highlight to others what lengths some people will go to in order to stop the spread of the FOSS ethos (IMO)

    Thanks again for your kind words, although I’d say that anyone can write a blog and make their own Openbytes….

    Regards

    Goblin.

    Posted by openbytes | November 19, 2009, 11:13 pm
  16. openbytes + Richard = get a room!

    Posted by Louie | November 20, 2009, 5:25 am

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